Greg Rutkowski inspired style LoRA (SDXL)

Sadly, some artists are inflexible. In fact, some would even try to criminalize you if they found out you copied a pose from their art work. I ain't even exaggerating r/ArtistsLounge has plenty of artists crying about other artists.

I understand his perspective. Also, a lifetime of work being used without permission and people being so blatant about it would probably strongly irritate anyone.

@StiffPvtParts he was a legend long ago without stable diffusion. He might be news to somebody unfamiliar with art or artists. 

@Atreides_Blade He was known, yes but he was not a legend. A legend is Moebius for example, neither is on Gurney's acknowlegement. He was starting to get ultra known because DiscoDiffusion iconic phrase, same as Kinkade and that's a fact. I wasn't unfamiliar to him and he wasn't by far the legend he is now. Same as Peter Mohrbacher which was known by a few and know a lot of people are buying his Angelariums, me for example. Or Dan Mumford who got ultra popular. If I were them I should be saying thanks cause the $$$$$$ the have generated is insane after DD.

@LDWorksDavid when I got into art and drawing over ten years ago, Greg was on the top of the leaderboards. Moebius is one of my favs, Tron's aesthetic was a very early impact on me as a child and that was arguably his weakest work. I also thought that AI generation would be a great way for some artists to gain acclaim with a new audience, but I can't make them feel that way.

@Lykon oh didnt know that, I would also like more variety of dragons, will test it later

You do realize that was the default prompt for Disco Diffusion back in the day, right? Anyone who used it (Disco Diffusion was my first foray into ai art) would know that ;)

Civitai already follows DMCA: https://civitai.com/content/dmca

But Safe Harbor protections are important. If Civitai starts to enforce copyright without DMCA notices, they will lose Safe Harbor protections.

As soon as they delete it without a DMCA notice, they stop being a conduit for user content, and become curated content. Curated content does not have DMCA protections.

Civitai cannot make copyright decisions on its own. It can only receive DMCA takedown requests and process them in good faith. If this is still up, it's because they haven't received a legitimate takedown yet.

And all of this is ignoring the larger legal question of who actually owns the LoRA. Is it Lykos for making the dataset? Is it Greg Rutkowski for making all the art in the dataset? Is it a jointly-owned copyright? Does it automatically enter the public domain, and neither of them own it? I don't know, you don't know, and Civitai doesn't know.

So what do you want them to do?

Damn you're sooooo out of your bubble man.

DMCA doesn't protect artstyles, otherwise artists themselves would be fucked since they copy each other from the dawn of time. What style does Greg Rutkowsky own? Digital oil painting? Fffs, if this lora had a different name you won't be here and the style would have been just a generic digital painting style (which is EXACTLY what Greg Rutkowski does).

Once an image is public it's visible to everybody: artists who can copy it or AI.
And Greg probably knows it, since he too copied his style from someone else who came before him, and then changed with his own experience. Which exactly what AI does, just faster.

Ei, feel free to do it. The moment you take down this (try it, go ahead) expect another 6 LORA's of him coming and probably one more coming from me too as a gift, yes. Cause this is nonsense. And cause even I'm a professional artist for 17 years now too I'm starting to get tired of the absurd of the debate of the styles. Come front and tell me that Greg's style is not based on Steve Huston, Vilppu or Frazzeta for starters to name a few. You guys don't get it yet? The cat is out of the box the moment anyone can train without internet, ANY image, any style, any item, any subject in his own PC without having to spend thousands of $. Solution? Be more creative, adapt to new times and stop pretending artist job is more than a mechanic, accountant, lawyer, etc.

@Calz  Products aren’t people. A model is a derivative work. If you knew the first thing about tech you would know downloading isn’t looking and training isn’t learning. Not legally, not in any other sense.

@LDWorksDavid you’re free to copy his style any day of the week. Build the skills! But you’re not free to copy his works to produce competing derivatives. Nor to use his name in marketing. Lyko here solicits donations. That’s a commercial operation. If you want to use someone else’s professional name, and their works, to compete directly and devalue the original, you are on shaky legal ground.

@Uneatable I take it you missed Warhol v Goldsmith. Go read that. A LoRa is a derivative work. This isn’t hard, people are just being obtuse. It’s not like commercial licensing of images is a new thing. Soliciting donations for producing derivatives is a business operation that freeloads off of brand recognition and copyrighted works built by others. It contributes to marketplace substitution. It harms the market of the original. Lyko owes Greg money. The terms would be up to them to negotiate. Isn’t it basic fucking common sense that you don’t just snap photos through the display window of a gallery to sell mugs and t-shirts down the street?

@brandstedt474 please show me which image generated with this LoRA is an exact copy of an image created by Greg Rutkowski

@unmystic it's impossible due this embedding was not overfitted. Then it can't be proved. You can say there are some things similar to a degree to some artworks but you can't say it's a copy due how it was trained. So all of this debate is futile.

@LDWorksDavid well... Guess it's not against the DCMA rules then

@Calz well-explained and logical !

@unmystic your autistic hangups bear no weight in court.

You provably publish
- a derivative work
- for profit
- marketed with the name of a living professional
- against his documented will
- to compete directly against his published works for marketplace attention.

Me kicking about here might help boost the visibility of both you and your victim, which is win-win. But the only way this can end up is techies joining forces with artists – through collab or through trade. The piracy phase won't last long.

@unmystic as for DMCA -- I stand corrected for nominal compliance. But you fail to comply with the mandatory opt-outs for copyrighted training data in the first place, and the rest of this bunch of pathetic anonymous cowards stand ready to piss on the rulebook, so what would even be the point of reporting? Losers.

@brandstedt474 tell them to Andersen and Ortiz. Sure the court will help them, sure. 

@brandstedt474 what about all professional Artists using AI? Losers too? Ha

@LDWorksDavid Honestly? Learning the tech is a survival imperative, pretty much. Doesn't matter if you plan to exploit, oppose, or both.

But so is standing up for your goddamn property rights.

As for Andersen and Ortiz -- I have the biggest popcorn bucket, and I do enjoy @TheBrianPenny pulling out bits and bobs from David and Emad's past public Discord discussion on law, ethics and data sourcing ... 🍿

Check it out, see what you think about it.

@brandstedt474 chill out!

@Reelai sure, as soon as you guys stop stealing art.

@brandstedt474 won't happen. It's not steal. To impersonate other Artists you will need a extremely high grade of resemblance so the works couldnt be distinguished and the copyright will enter, cause you're impersonating Greg doing same artworks (overfit). These are not anywhere close to his style, maybe 60%. Useless to report this and the only way taken down is because Lykon wants. And if I was him I won't do it. And if this happens, expect more Greg Loras coming and with even more resemblance. Choose your poison. The only thing you're doing is wasting time, same as Karla and her friends, the difference is that they got very well paid to scam a group of uninformed and missinformed Artists, people with insane fear towards tech, supporters that they even don't know how this works.

@brandstedt474 well then you wanted it, im going to make at least 40 artist style from artstation and im going to show them this topic, especially your comments. :)

@brandstedt474 so... I'm autistic and all, but can you please provide one image generated with this LoRA that is an exact copy of an image created by Greg Rutkowski? Thanks! :)

@unmystic r/whooooooooooooooosh

See above.

@Reelai Duly noted. 

@LDWorksDavid You do not understand the first thing about copyright and licensing. See above.

@brandstedt474 Sure

Looking for it, just for curiosity. I should end training him too at some point but for now, no needed. Lykon's one already do good job.

This is for SDXL 1.0 not SD 1.5