@kozue thank you so much for trying..

@kozue Arguing with people on things like this is useless, they never listen so just ignore that idiot. Your works are awesome as always.

Probably best to worry about the real world before you go off the slippery slope to barking at videogame violence or something. Not one real child even exists anywhere in this topic and you have to do a good bit of mental gymnastics to think there is. Accusations like this are absurd and in all honesty, incredibly disrespectful. It'd make about as much sense as saying someone needs help or to be reported to police if they like slasher horror flicks.

@SyntheticSunsets making one of the many female characters in a video game is "disturbing shit"... says the man that makes models with a "PISS fetish" ya.. you got ground to stand on...

@Soulpher you can't compare a piss kink to sexualizing children. You're defending the sexualization of children.. cartoon children nonetheless. Touch grass. Therapy.

@sarcasm83334 You're defending the sexualization of children. I could care less if it's legal or fictional, it's immoral and we shouldn't be normalizing or accepting it in any form.

@kozue legality shouldn't matter. Morally it's wrong to sexualize children. Do you have a child? 

@SyntheticSunsets "You're defending the sexualization of children."

There you go with another completely unwarranted accusation, when there is no such content on this model and this is a cartoony videogame neko who doesn't look like a single real child I've seen.

It's overreactions like this why no realistic children can even be portrayed in ANY model and therefor family portraits or anything can't even exist to be created on civitai, since it has been decided to always assume the worst of - not every bad faith actor, but EVERY SINGLE person.

Trying to ban, restrict and censor things in advance, instead of judging people who share said disturbing content when they share it, is only a way to achieve more restricted models and platforms for all while still not managing to stop those individuals from achieving exactly that disturbing shit you talk about.

Especially if this is how volatile the kneejerk reactions are.

Hypervirtue is the most guaranteed way to a whole lot less freedom in creativity and that is not something I will defend.

But sexualization of a single real child is something I will never tolerate, so I'd appreciate if you made no such accusations on a whim.

@sarcasm83334 I've seen enough people like this and they're the type to spam "Y'all", "frfrfr", use "skull" emoji and "touch grass" to every "cHiLd" posts they see and internet in general. Which he just did in this one.

@sarcasm83334 The original offending image was removed as well as the "loli" and "child" trigger words from the description. It portrayed a very young girl in a bikini. Allowing the sexualization of children in any forum or community is acceptance and stands to harm children. Even if it's a remote, indirect chance.. the cost is at the expense of children. It's wild seeing people trying to intellectualize this.

@ddoscv Yeaah, most of the time I don't bother replying, but it just gets frustrating seeing these kinda takes that go from 0 to 100 with their accusations and assumptions and for once thought I'd chip in with why I see this kinda behavior as quite disrespectful and possibly harmful in all it's judgment.

There are sooo many types of fiction that, if being viewed with the same kind of hypervirtue and bad faith assumptions would go plummeting towards censorship if people decided to get as overly critical about them. I just hope they won't, as people taking offense and making a whole lot of noise and harsh judgment seems to be growing around all topics.

Personally I do not even make the link where these kinda characters and supposedly real children would be the same or even linked... kinda like I don't believe Arnold Schwarzenegger is made of metal under his skin because I know him most from The Terminator. Or that Kung-fu Panda depicts real pandas. There's just 0% connection there where subject or topic of fiction = real views, morals, values, beliefs. Eh, idk. Best to move along :D

@kozue if we're going to make comparisons, does watching slasher flicks make you a killer? What was watching little girls in a sexual context make you? A PEDOPHILE.

@SyntheticSunsets Ah, well then I understand your original comment a little more, so that it at least didn't come from entirely out of the blue.

However about
"the cost is at the expense of children"

I don't think liking something in fiction automatically means liking it in reality where moral values exist.
I've always loved gore in games, horror art, horror movies, but I have always hated real violence, defended people who were bullied in school and got my share for it and never been in a fight and hopefully never will if I can avoid it.

However as to those who already HAVE those interests in mind, they are likely to be interested in that taste in fiction too and where that overlap exists, yes they're likely to seek AI porn that meets that interest.
Yet, I kinda think if even one person rather beats it to a cartoony nekololi instead of a real child, I call that a net positive instead of a cost. Even better if they stay at home beating it to AI creations than harrassing kids.

Fictional porn itself certainly isn't a cost to real children, but the lack of safe outlets for people who'd offend in their frustrations of not getting off might be. At least if I follow the opinions I have about this regarding other topics: I do NOT believe that violent games make violent people or normalize violence in a way that would promote and increase it. If it's there, it's ALREADY there.
I do not think violent games feed hunger for violence and therefor increase crimes. To me, I honestly think they are often an outlet to vent anger and afterwards feel less of it.

To claim anyone interested in the topic of entirely fictional and drawn "loli" is a child abuser who needs to be on a police watchlist is like claiming anyone interested in porn of adult women - or even 3D generated women, is a rapist. (Oh wow kozue had made the same point, hadn't noticed it while writing)

It jumps the shark in logic pretty horribly.

However.. maaybe fictional porn can further addictions, further obsessions and feed said hungers in those obsessions... That is possible. Even then, I think it has to exist already and I doubt fiction could just create such tastes.

But... that is a debate where we have no answers. Would it be a safe outlet, would it be a fuel for a fire that is already there? I do not know.
Either way now we're talking about a small subset of bad actors who DO have real life interests about that kinda thing and you instead make an assumption when you believe the worst of EVERY person in this commentfield or even the creator of the model. There are plenty of people to whom it really is just fiction. Just like your horrormovies, or violent game, or action flicks. They do NOT translate to your real values. No other topic does, why should this one?

Though, to sum up similarly as you did in your edit, "enjoy your judgmental virtue, I guess".
Shame so many people assume the worst.

I just refuse to see the world as bad as you do and will save my ire and hatred to those who'd ever consider the harming of an ACTUAL child or even commit actual violence, as it would seem as crazy for me to bark at this assuming things about kozue, as it would be for me to bark at all Call of Duty players being psychopaths because they love headshots so much, as it depicts shooting people in the head with firearms.

Anyway, I respect your argument more in the light of knowing what was removed, but I just don't see that fiction as a "proof of real values" like you do.
I hope you at least understood my point and sorry for the wall of text. I've said enough (possibly even too much :D).. have a good weekend all.

dude your in a site most of the site content is porn either celebrities or real people and fictional characters, you are not any better just by pointing it out, your part of it

@SyntheticSunsets for a guy who is so VALANT i think your "self projecting" my friend! not only did you post on Slim Models v.1 https://civitai.com/models/5026?modelVersionId=5810 with small breasts and tiny figures, in the past, but also Christina Ricci https://civitai.com/models/19521?modelVersionId=24279 where she looks like a little girl dressed up as Wednesday Addams, i mean, she was only 10 years only when she did that movie! soooo if you need to project any of your self righteous BS look in the Mirror first!