betold focuses on high fantasy, creative, and surrealistic image generation
I strongly recommend using DPM++ SDE Karras (CFG: 5, Steps: 30)
Recommended prompt prefix:
score_9, score_8_up, score_7_up
Recommended negative:
score_6, score_5, score_4
Pony sources not required in negative, but feel free to experiment.
Example prompt:
knights battling a giant dragon in the mist, sharp fangs, fog swirling, intense motion, detailed environment
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Honestly, I can't wait to give this a try. Excellent work, mate.
Had a chance to try it. TLDR: This model is fantastic! Get it!
Ok, I've now had an opportunity to work with this model. My initial thoughts:
- The color depth and vividness are fantastic.
- Adaptable to move seamlessly between 2.5D, cartoon, and realistic styles.
- Fantastic fantasy elements which allow for absolutely creative scenes.
- Strong adherence to prompt.
Negatives are few, mostly centering around defined and intricate detail during inpainting, where the model was so creative it felt like it struggled without strong prompting. The only other issue I noticed was with hands, but just about every model has this problem. Both are easy to fix with proper inpainting techniques.
This has many of the wonderful elements I adored in models like VividMix, with a strong fantastical base, which truly makes this model a stunning option for those who want to develop beautiful vistas, high fantasy scenes, or just like interesting pinups.
By far my newest favorite model. Surpasses most pony checkpoints by far. Highly recommended!
Super happy to hear!
I like the look of the model and am hopeful for it but right now it has some prompting issues. Looking forward to future iterations.
It would be great if you provided any detail about the issues you've run into
When using a prompt like "a woman standing in front of a tavern, I get a woman inside a tavern. When adding things like "outside" to force the scene outside, it rendered a bar as the side of the building. I specified a building in case it was confused about the word "tavern" the scene changed to the view of a street with about 5% of the image being the woman.
If asking for leather armor, it produces metal armor.
Sometimes it simply ignores the subject of the image like if you say "a dragon flying over a castle" it would render a castle only. It just doesn't behave anywhere near as well as other models and required a lot of additional iterations to get close to desired output,
I run all initial prompting without loras or embeddings to see what a model can do on it's own. I also scale from lower resolution settings to higher incase the higher rez is what causes the decoherence.
I do really like the look of this model. It reminds me of old Dragon magazine covers. :)
@Ruoar What you describes sounds very much like the limitations that come with all Pony models. Pony models have exceptionally poor prompt following - this is why I spend more time focusing on Illustrious at the moment. Do you find betold performs significantly worse than other pony models, if so - which ones perform the best in your experience?
I ran a couple of tests against other models I use for fantasy to have a similar model to compare, I find AniversePonyXL, and the duchaitenPony series do a good job of sticking to the prompt and creating the subject rather than just the background as a scene. I have several others I use that do a decent job with some deviation like partial metal armor or inside half the time. But I rally like the look of betold so I hope this helps. Still gave it a thumbs up. :)
Favorite model for Fantasy, Illustrations!!
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