@FrenzyX That is absurd. Photorealism isn't a feeling. Something either looks real or it doesn't. It is not an opinion. If it looks like a photo then it is photoreal, if it doesn't, it isn't. Period.

You're an angry little person aren't you? Have you even used it? It's very realistic. Maybe it's your prompts and settings that are garbage?

i agree with OP that the descriptions on many models nowadays are cringe af

Bad Show AlB@ - why don't you do better

The only thing absurd are Albat's comments, if you don't like the model, or you're not able to use it, that's your problem, you don't need to tell others about it.

I think it is one of the best models I have used lately, thank you FrenesiaX

@LetTheBassDrop I am not angry at all. Just disappointed in the quality of effort put in by some of these uploaders. They throw together some random merge and have ChatGPT write some lame and nonsensical description saying nothing useful at all. I haven't used it. Based on the sample images provided by the uploader, it was clear that there was no reason to download it. It claims photorealism, yet not a single photo real image was provided, nor have any been posted in the gallery. My prompts are excellent and often produce images that are nearly impossible to tell from actual photos. The key is using the better models such as PhotopediaXL, Acorn is Spinning XL_2 and realismEngineSDXL.

@FrenzyX  Even more sad is if that drivel was NOT generated by ChatGPT.

@AlBat About your answer to @FrenzyX about photorealism. I remember watching Independence Day at the time and thinking that the FX had become really photorealistic. Then I saw the film again 15 years later and saw how visible and "badly" integrated the CG was. Photorealism is in fact an opinion based on your perception, and this perception can vary from one person to another depending on their upbringing and experience of images.

@Utji  Just because you were wrong about Independence Day doesn't mean it was an opinion. The effects looked good for the time, but in no way did it look real. Your perception was flawed. You can have an opinion on if you like it or not, but the reality is that something either looks real or it looks fake. If a person has bad eyesight and can't tell when something is obviously fake, that doesn't mean the fake thing is actually real, it just means they are unable to see correctly.

@AlBat All I was pointing out is that we don't all have the same education in image reading. As you yourself say, "The effects looked good for the time." So, you acknowledge that the perception of what "looks good," in other words, what appears realistic enough to deceive our perception, is a matter of the era and not a timeless concept for which you've given us the eternal key.

You denigrate the work of others, and it's your right since it's your opinion. But the way you do it is far too harsh to be constructive. It looks more like you're trying to hurt others by belittling them. But, don't worry, you can afford it. After all, you are the best. No need to be polite, friendly or sensitve because you're not expressing your opinion, you're stating what is the truth. It's the truth that's mean.

So don't waste your time replying to me, I won't continue our conversation; take what you want from this message.

@Utji  I didn't denigrate anyone's work. I simply pointed out the inaccuracy of it. It is not constructive to blow smoke up someone's ass and say something is better than it is to try to be nice. People work to make things better when they know what the shortfalls are, not when everyone says it's perfect. My criticisms of the model have not been harsh at all. I only criticize the misleading claims made by the uploader. The model looks fine overall to produce semi-realistic images. It just isn't good at actual realistic images.

Discussing the model is the entire point of the Discussion section. If this is one of the best models you have used lately, you probably need to look around a bit more unless what you are looking for is results that look very fake.

@FrenzyX I feel like I've barely scratched the surface of what can be done with this beast when it's tamed. Exploring its possibilities is really stimulating! Keep up the good work! I love Artium too btw. :)

thanks @oliviervinet050670 the tips help a noob out. Question, ... do you use negative prompts much? How many steps do you use with DPM++ 2m arras? And why DPM++ 2m arras vs the DPM++ SDE Karras?

@me159 About negative prompts: the real question is: what is it for? Do you need it or not. Well, that depends! ^^ I use it to prevent some stuffs from happening, especially regarding lighting, unwanted textual elements or sometimes emotional states. The use of both pos and neg prompts in that regard is very useful as it allows you to convey complex feelings on your subject.

Now on the Steps and CFG values matter...

There is no magical setting that will do the job for everything. You need to adapt these values to what you are after. For example, to get a nice convincing drawing effect, you need to kill the photorealism and destroy a lot of informations. Very low Steps value will do just that.

On the other hand, if you want something more real or smooth, increase the Steps. Just don't go too up high: it'sd useless interms of quality and will just consume power.

The CFG is another interresting factor to play with. Higher values will get you more contrast but also potentially create more problems for the AI to solve, sometimes to a point where you will get very bad results, so careful with that axe Eugene as they say in Ummagumma land.

A low CFG gives more flexibility and creativity to the AI, less contrast as well. 4-7 for realism works usually fine, 1.5-2.5 can be very interresting for non realistic renders such as drawing effects.

Lastly, there are some new models that use Turbo and LM, these are totally different things that are designed to work with low cfg and steps and still give nice realistic results with a very high calculation speed.

@oliviervinet050670 excellent explanation of negative prompts. I feel way too many people treat them like some sort of magic spell, copy and pasting certain sets of negative prompts as if they will always ward off ugly pictures no matter what model or workflow they're using.

@FrenzyX Just a thought: to use this as a design tool. I am not an active online seller. I wanted to ask you before I do something. BTW This is the best model I have ever used. Thank you so much for your reply.