Martha Wayne, Batman's mom who in the Flashpoint timeline is the Joker. This is a Martha lora, you can sort of gen Thomas Wayne with it but its just way easier to throw in the Flashpoint Paradox lora in there with mine. What can I say, I need to have more confidence in myself with these 1 and a half character loras and just go all in.
NOTES: COUPLES PICS ARE POSSIBLE, I JUST HAVE TO REFINE PROMPTS, IT LOVES TO STICK THE UTILITY BELT ON MARTHA OR GIVE THOMAS THE DEFAULT YELLOW AND I'M A PURIST FOR AN AI SLOPPER, WHAT CAN YA SAY. I DO RECOMMEND IF YOU'RE NOT PATIENT ENOUGH TO BRUTE FORCE IT, JUST THROW THE THOMAS WAYNE FLASHPOINT LORA IN THERE FOR DETAIL, WORKS GOOD THAT I CAN SEE.
SOMETIMES IT LIKES TO PUT A SCAR ON MARTHA'S FOREHEAD, THIS IS AN AI THING, EASE OF STITCHES ON PROMPTS OR NEG FOREHEAD SCAR, ETC.
MY LORA SEEMS TO DO BETTER IF YOU LEAN IN ON STYLE A BIT, DARK INK LINES, BRIGHT COLORS (THOUGH YOU MIGHT HAVE LUCK WITH SHADOW, ETC), COMIC STYLE. MAKE A DECISION IF YOU WANT THOSE SPEECH BUBBLES OR NOT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GEN REGULAR MARTHA, NEG OUT JOKER CHARACTERISTICS LIKE BLEACHED SKIN, GRIN, TEETH, MESSY HAIR, PANTS, BUTTON UP SHIRT AND M@rth@W@yn3Joker. THOMAS WAYNE BATMAN SEEMS TO WORK MOSTLY BY HIMSELF, ITS THE LOGO HAVING TROUBLE WITH, THOUGH I'D SPECIFY MORE DETAILS THAN MY STARTER KEYWORDS LIKE GRAY STUBBLE, UNIFORM PIECE COLORS LIKE BLACK GLOVES, CAPE, RED GUNBELT, SHOULD WORK WITH BOTH OF THEM BUT GIVE ME A DAY TO WORK AN EXAMPLE UP. ALSO, I REITERATE, "BATMAN LOGO" IS NOT A REAL PERSON NO MATTER WHAT CIVITAI THINKS, AND I'M NOT COUNTING SOME DUDE IN FLORIDA WHO LEGALLY CHANGED HIS NAME, IF IT SQUAWKS AT YOU, TRY CHANGING THE ORDER, REWORDING ETC.
Trained on 33 samples, these should favor a comic book style like Flashpoint Beyond, but I'll talk about that in a moment.
As always, I do these on site, so I don't know the quirks till I've learned them, give me a day or two to get a good gallery of examples going.
If you don't want to read my comic book blather, you can skip a bit lower for starter prompts, but I'm going to sell you on some comics here, Flashpoint, Flashpoint Beyond, and Doomsday Clock, seems the least I can do, and it helps that I mean it.
First, if you're reading this, I have to assume you know about DC's Flashpoint at least, but hey, maybe not. Well in 2011 DC had an alternate timeline run touched off by the Flash, and if you really and truly haven't been exposed to it, I don't want to spoil it much for you, you should go read at least the main storyline and Batman issues. Its one of those big defining comic book arcs you need to at least skim. Its touched off an animated movie, the live action Flash movie, more tie ins in mainline DC than I can keep track of, and the limited sequel Flashpoint Beyond.
I will give it a balanced criticism in that it does NOT do what What If so often does when it phones it in, just slap Dr. Strange in as Daredevil because its different, alot the timeline changes make alot of sense and the series explains them. They did a tremendous amount of world building in the series, its a fleshed out and realized timeline, and that's why people want to see more of it. My criticism is the series suffers from what I call Syriana syndrome, which is when you give too much time to side characters instead of focusing on your mains. So just be prepared for characters you love and some you just don't get into, but hey, that's comics in general.
The standout of the series IMO, is Thomas Wayne as Batman, who besides appearing in the main story, also has his own 3 issues in Flashpoint (which isn't enough). Martha, I don't feel like I'm spoiling since you're here, is Joker in this universe. Without spoiling, there was a 7 issue sequel, Flashpoint Beyond, which is Batman centric and very much feels like what the Flashpoint run should have been. It has direct tie in to Doomsday Clock, which is a Watchmen crossover, and is another alternative timeline, that shouldn't have worked and IMO is awesome. (Also there's even some Doomsday Clock loras on here, give 'em a look)!
Again, if you haven't read, I won't spoil, but I recommend Flashpoint Beyond, its got tie ins, its got mainline Batman, its got Flashpoint, its got awesome art and writing, and its got Martha. You see alot of female Jokers on this site, but I always kind of marveled there wasn't any Flashpoint Joker.
Well I could write you a paper on what I like about her design, how she's her own Joker but also Martha Wayne and it makes perfect sense, but I think I should just let the lora speak for itself (if it works!)
Hey, I found the keywords toggle. I swear, last couple of loras, maybe my brain wasn't working. I am not at all sure that Thomas Wayne will generate with this lora or prompts alone, but as I've said, its a Martha Wayne lora.
Sample prompts:
Martha Wayne (as Joker):
M@rth@W@yn3Joker, female, mature face, green eyes, pale or bleached skin, mid length wavy or messy green hair, red lipstick, stitched cheeks, eyelashes, green long sleeve shirt, purple vest, orange necktie, purple pants, purple gloves, handgun or knife.
You can also try to get her (spoilers) look with blue eyes and bandaged cheeks
Martha Wayne (Normal):
M@rth@W@yn3Regular, female, mature face, blue eyes, warm skin tone, mid length wavy red hair
Thomas Wayne (as Batman:
Th0masW@yne, male, mature face, mask, cape, gloves, batman, weapon holster
You may have some luck with collage, multi panel, panels or speech bubbles if you're leaning into the comic feel, if not, neg them out.
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33 samples, 10 epochs
Comments (13)
Fem Joker? I'm down with that :P
I did enjoy this series when it came out though, it was nice to have a semi-contained series rather than needing to have read and kept up with multiple different series to get the full story (Black Lantern saga, anyone?), and as you said it didn't just change characters identities. Thomas was a brutal batman and Martha's motivations were understandable, if psychotic.
True story, I had a Flashpoint Batman figure, and the cleaning guy at work stole it, it was super obvious but we don't have CCTV and weren't gonna call the feds over THAT, and that's how I was out $25 and took all my other adult nerd stuff home before somebody else got the same idea.
Flashpoint was sprawling, you never knew (cept for the big JL mains) who's story was going to pan out, Beyond was as you said a really focused story comparatively. I think they did something really impressive with both characters. They're both nihilistic and affirmative and oddly relatable in different ways. Especially with Beyond I feel like they didn't cheat Martha's design at all either. She IS the Joker, but she's also Martha Wayne, and even with that giant grin on her face you get the feeling she's the more rational of the two sometimes
@topside_johnny Damn, that's cold. You don't touch or take other's collectibles smh.
I'm glad they eventually fleshed it out a little too, i'm a sucker for most elseworlds stories and seeing how they spin a familiar character. Really enjoyed Marvel's 2099 series back in the day. A little cheesy and the quality varied, but there were some great concepts.
@NeilSylver I love anything with alternate timelines and time travel, (I do my own stuff too if you're ever REALLY bored), in general I like What If, and DC stuff too, Superman Red Son and even Gods and Monsters and such. I feel like they're also way more willing to take a big chance and do a full movie on something off the wall like Justice League Dark Apocalips War
@topside_johnny Great taste, i loved red son, gotham by gaslight and the later what ifs (not so much the golden age stuff though, a little too corny for me) Marvel have a few good takes too, like the prehistoric avengers and i think it was the 1602 series? (not sure there, might be mistaking it for another)
When you say you do your own stuff, what are we looking at? Webcomics, written fiction, fan art concepts?
@NeilSylver I do fanfic, mostly video games, couple of my loras are OCs, quicker to bake the lora then get 10K words down (if I'm lucky). I'm over on archiveofourown and used to do deviantart.
@topside_johnny Sweet, same username? Might look you up when i'm next bored, and i'll have to take a look at your OC's here. I like to try people's own characters now and again :)
@NeilSylver Cool. https://archiveofourown.org/users/johnny_topside/pseuds/johnny_topside and https://www.deviantart.com/topsidejohnny20 if you like, I always do a writeup on my loras so people get some backstory even if I haven't finished or even begun in some instances
@topside_johnny Sweet, i'll check you out sometime. I see you have a few OC's, any recommendations or a specific one you'd like to see some more pics of? I'm leaning towards one of the Orc women myself obviously.
@NeilSylver I try to give most of them equal business, I got ALOT of Skyrims in particular, Karin, my PFP, is my flagship Skyrim OC so I come up with alot of villains of the week that tend to get more and more backstory as I procrastinate. The orcs all got a writeup on them for flavor if you like, I still have to actually write that fic, but next thing ya know, you're starting to come up with prequels and etc, I can come up with that stuff in the tub vs 20 dedicated hours to write a chapter, ya know how it is. I do Castlevania, Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat, Red Dead (though not everything has a lora yet), other stuff when I get around to it.
@topside_johnny Can't stop worldbuilding and developing them, eh? I can respect that. I'll definitely try out at least one OC sometime, and i'll try to keep it lore accurate if i can :)
@NeilSylver For sure something like that. This is the meme I'm thinking of:
George RR Martin Voice: But don't worry, there's going to be like 5 of them, they're gonna be amazing!
No worries, I'm not a purist, I also used to build temu gens from different loras for a good year before I figured out making loras, so I know how that is if you got something different than what I had in mind one lora can help with. Do what you like, long as it wouldn't shock Japan. Its a coinflip if I get the notification when someone posts my stuff, so some posts I only see weeks after the fact
@topside_johnny Don't worry, I won't post anything too crazy. I generally try to match the vibes of the example images when i try out lora, and i naturally try to respect others OC's anyway.