This merge likes simple (but creative) prompts to create art with the creative versatility of the original XenoEngine 4.5 with a huge push toward semi-realism and fantasy. Though made with portraiture and consistency in mind, it does a nice job as a flexible base model for just about anything I've tried to make with it.
Certain prompts tend to go more "art" than "photography" style. Using "Real Life" along with traditional "photography" cues in the prompt can help bring more semi-realism.
The sample images I have made are done with simple prompts and Easy Negative and Bad Prompts Version 2 - no postwork or cleanup. As always - to get really great stuff with SD, inpainting and cleanup is likely needed.
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Time for 5th Dimension to get it's tech update. When I applied much of the new learning to my 4.x Art Style XenoEngine, it didn't change the nature of the model all that much. (Most of the experimentation and work I'm doing are geared toward perfecting that model for my game system). When applying it here - the "style" appears mostly the same in terms of portraiture and so on - but the overall composition is quite different.
I've also started a bit of a new approach to things on the learning end. The big thing there is that I'm no longer worried about whether or not the model can do "porn things." We obviously want "sexy" - since this model is primarily for portraits and people - but SD is still a good ways away from being able to spit out complicated things (you know, like sex) without arms and legs going all akimbo.
I am NOT making any special effort to make it NOT do porn - but over the next few generations of these model series we'll be looking at sexy, nude, and all that - but we're not going to be pushing to try to make it good at anything above that MPAA R Rating.
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Big fan of the first version of this model. But few things seem odd to me about this update. Not only after trying it, it seems that detail and hand success chance has diminished significantly but also, the model has become more generic in it's "style" and less detailed.
Also, while to each their own, I am a bit confused by you saying you won't be doing much NSFW development on this model and yet the only examples you showed on the page are deformed NSFW attempts. Again, grateful for your work, but this is hardly a "tech update" or update at all to me.
Ultimately, this model has always had stability problems when it comes to doing things outside of the "portrait" genre. One of its biggest problems is when you try to get more than one person in the shot (common with all models, yes, but especially bad here).
I also didn't say that it wasn't going to do "NSFW" stuff - but rather, I'm not worried about whether it can do "porny" things. But I also said that it still wants to be "sexy" as it goes along. So the "solo photoshoot" and "onlyfans streaming" type stuff will still be there.
You are correct in that some of the base changes I made in order to bring in overall stability in terms of composition consistency between renders has adversely affected some of the other common stability issues in a negative way. Fingers, limbs akimbo, etc... they are a bit more frequent.
This week, I'm working on a couple of things for this (and Xeno 6) that I did for Xeno 4 ArtStyle that helped a lot - but since these are less "art" and more "photo/3D Render" type things - it didn't just "plug in" here like it did for the ArtStyle one. I'm working on beating it into shape and should hopefully have a new step forward in a week or so.
I probably could have/should have held off on the release for this a bit, but I was excited to get out the Gen 6 Stuff (see the Notes Here) minus the "VR Porn" merge. I jumped the gun a bit, I suppose.
Sorry for the frustration. I'll have a MUCH better updatefor you ASAP. Promise.
@iamxenos Thanks for the reply, I believe you achieved something very unique as far as models go, and I like simple prompts creating good results, that's how it should be imo. Wish you good luck!
@StereoNostalgic218 Cheers - and I appreciate the feedback... good or bad.
Almost all of this is experimental. Even with reading tips from others - the tech is so new that virtually no one in the world could honestly call themselves "experts" on doing any of this. And then something new comes out (like some of the stuff in my Magic Detailer LoRa) and half the crap you already learned becomes obsolete (or even a hindrance, sometimes). lol
I also build and test these on 2 environments - a 16G T4 (that I can use for up to 4 hours a day) and then also a No GPU Huggingface Space (which actually does surprisingly well doing merges - it just sucks to wait 15 minutes to see a test run. lol. And I also tend to test it on primarily portraits and various other specific things that might tickle my fancy. But I'm NOT necessarily testing it for the things YOU are trying to do with it... so something that looks like 100% improvement to me may look like 10% more crappiness to you.
Soooo.... keep letting me know if things are up or down, better or worse for YOU too. I can't please everyone, of course, but it's not like there are currently 50 people in here all asking for a model doing things 50 different ways. lol
Cheers again, mate. I appreciate it.
@iamxenos It's very new for me especially, only like month or two into AI generation. I won't lie, it was more exciting first days that it is now, as someone who was Artstation artworm this felt like a dream come true, and for most part it is. But it doesn't take long to notice how fresh out of the oven this tech is. In future, I believe enthusiasm of the community is gonna be a deciding factor how it all will fall into place.
The only general advice for all model creators after trying more than 80+ checkpoints on this website is to do something about the same face syndrome (thankfully yours is doing rather well in that matter) and anatomy, nothing makes a pretty good image lose all it's charm like 7 fingers on both hands in total.
But I think this might be simply a limitation of 1.5 SD model? I mean, let's be honest, that thing is getting old relative to the pace of tech progress. I'll keep an eye on your work of course, I'll let you know my thoughts without being too overbearing :D
cheers friend.