@Kairen92 Any idea why?

@Kairen92 iirc they've said they remove older unused checkpoints from online generation to make room for new ones. But yeah, civitai is a small startup and they don't have the infrastructure like tensorart and the other chinese sites do

@Kairen92 I mean agree. They always seem to put gay stuff last, which is annoying.

1. Do you like men without genitals?

2. Homosimile XL is the first model you find that is focused on male characters and gave you zero problems in generating men with vaginas, Have I understood well?

@CuauhtemocI5MAL 1) You mean like featureless crotches? I mean like there's a few layers to that but I still prefer them with either tools, if you know what I mean.

2) To be fair the Wai-NSFW-Illus checkpoint didn't really fight me on that either, so this likely is just one of the universal improvements of PONY/Illus over 1.5.

bro is gay with extra steps

@Kairen92 Yes, but the Pony model always seems to have average performance in terms of realism

@Kairen92 Yeah I read that below in another comment, and it's a shame really. I hope you can somehow achieve it, because the potential is really high with this checkpoint to be left like this, especially the Illustrious and NAI-XL versions, they are really advanced

Good news: it's now available on the on-site generator :D

I thought that only applied to Vpred models?

@volite7961 No. For all versions.

Oh no! The horror! Get over it, lmao

@Scarzilla tell that to all the feminists that bitch and squawk when women aren't at the center of literally everything. I mean, seriously, tits don't need to be in everything.. they're just fat stacks with little red micropenises growing off the front.. 🤮🤮🤮

Yeah and? Generate whatever you like, people have different tastes in body types

"A man with tits" so... pectorals? Are you not familiar with bara in the slightest? This is par for the course, don't complain about nothing.

@Lazman Feminism has nothing to do with a man with juicy pecs. Go smoke a joint or something and keep your ugly comments to yourself lmao

@eiikarc according to this site, they don't, they only want tits..

@Tsugi I think somewhere along the lines, people got bara(muscular men) confused with muscular men with tits. I'm not sayin it ain't common, but them are tits.

In fairness I actually did a brave (like google) image search, and while there are SOME images of RL men that look like they have tits due to muscle, it's like, 2-3%, and to be fair, that percentage could just be AI shit(frankly, with AI, it's getting hard to figure out what's real anymore..). But, even those pics, fictitious or not, do not have huge engorged nipples.. That is exclusively a female feature. So, kid yourself not, if you get off to that form of 'bara' you're gettin off to dudes with tits.

@Scarzilla Maybe if you wasn't so stoned all the time, you could tell the diff between a muscular man, and a muscular man with tits..

@Lazman Nope! Just getting off to dudes, thanks. And before you start judging people for their tastes, maybe check out the fact that you've got shota content in your gallery. A lot more questionable and worth yapping about than people enjoying men with PECS. Or men in general! Thanks!

@Tsugi Eh, it's fantasy(non existent species), really not much to 'yap' about. Also it came out smaller than I was going for. I'm into the smaller/submissive context, but even I'll admit that the size is questionable.

But liking someone smaller/submissive, especially in a purely fantasy context, is really nothing to make a fuss about when one considers the factors taken into account.

A: the content is literally fake and hurts no one.

B: most women are smaller than most men on average, and a lot of these ones sayin they want a 6 foot tall dude, are 4foot somethin themselves.

C: if you go to the Philippines and date many of the dudes from there, people might think you're into RL shota. Size means nothing. I used to work with a dude from the Philippines that was 23 and legit looked like he was 12.

The factor that makes it deplorable is the harm of children, the people that do that, do deserve pain. I was physically abused by my mother as a child, so that is not something I take lightly.

But, there's too many Karen's out there these days and that's one stigma in general that needs to fuck off. If you got kids, I get it, protect them. But don't let society turn you into a paranoid nutjob that thinks any man that looks at your kid is a Catholic preacher in disguise.

As for the original talk, if you can find a proveably non-AI generated image of an RL man with large engorged puffy nipples like the one in the samples, that isn't partway into a surgical transformation, then I'll bow out, you win. Until then, I rest my case. You can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself, dats a man with boobs. Lol..

@Lazman I ain't reading all at 💀💀 I'm happy for you, or sorry that happened or smth

@Tsugi translation, "reading is hard when you're an imbecile". It's ok, I get it, big guy. Just stick to reading the little words and jerkin to to boob men. Peace!

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You were given a free model, something you could have accepted appreciatively with a simple "thank you." Instead, you chose to defile this space with crass remarks, leaning on body-shaming, misogyny, transphobia, and xenophobia. Your response proves some people are incapable of handling generosity without exposing their own insecurities.
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1. Your fixation on 'tits' and 'little red micropenises' is not only vulgar but revealing. Nipples, regardless of gender, are a natural human feature, yet you reduce them to a grotesque caricature, betraying your discomfort with bodies that don’t fit your narrow view. You sneer at women’s anatomy while policing male bodies just as harshly, demanding 'realism' only when it suits you. You cry 'fantasy!' to defend your preference for 'smaller/submissive' traits, yet suddenly demand rigid anatomical realism when policing male chests. If fictional content "hurts no one," why rage against bara art?

2. Your challenge about finding 'non-AI' images of men with 'large nipples' is a distraction. This isn’t about winning a trivia contest; It’s about the disrespect in your words. You’re entitled to preferences, but you’re not entitled to degrade others while hiding behind excuses. If you’d rather die on this hill of hate, that’s your choice. The rest of us see it for what it is: A pathetic display of bias and bitterness.

3. As for your bizarre detour into Filipino men, using them as a prop to justify your preferences while tossing out casual xenophobia is both irrelevant and offensive. Claiming that dating certain men from the Philippines might imply an interest in 'RL shota' because of their size is a leap that reveals more about your biases than any cultural reality. Size doesn’t equal age, and your former coworker’s stature has no bearing on fictional character design or your argument unless you’re inadvertently exposing your own stereotypes. It’s a cheap tactic to deflect, and it falls flat.
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Finally, you weaponize your trauma, and as someone who has also suffered abuse from both the men and women in my family, I need to be blunt: Pain is not a license to perpetuate hatred. Healing requires breaking cycles, not blaming entire groups for the actions of individuals. If anything, our experiences should foster empathy, not entitle us to bigotry. Be better!

@Aizu_Ziros 

"body-shaming" Yea, sure, I'm "body shaming" a fake anime character.. Let me apologize, wait, no.. Did you miss the part where I said, there's literally no real human beings that look like that?

"misogyny" FO with that nonsense. I do more to progress feminism with the things I say online than most of the so-called feminists do with their hateful anti-male remarks, and regressive promotion of the sexualization of women, and promotions of fake relationships and hook-up culture.

"transphobia" It's literally a "Homo" model.. Are trans people "Homo"'s? I'm not against people doin whatever they want with their own bodies. As a victim of male genital mutilation("circumcision") as a defenceless baby, I'm strictly against anything done to children/babies, but then even that falls under the category of "your body, your choice" (regardless of gender). When you're old enough to decide and definitely not be influenced by overarching factors, go nuts.

Side note; I actually think drag queens are super entertaining, and feel they should be in more TV shows. They're also a character type that doesn't get stupidly sexualized (from the media I've seen), so there's more room for character development.

Forgive me. I have been a tad crass, however, in fairness to my own experiences with AI generation, within the first 2 months of getting into this several months back, I was having an extremely difficult time generating males without huge female nipples, or straight-up, tits.. or vag, futa, big bulge thing that looks like a mix between balls and a vag...

A few things to factor in;

A: I am autistic, so if something bothers you, think about if it bothered you 10X worse than it does, and that's typical life as an autist.

B: Add point 'A' to 2 months of getting gross female parts, and males with female facial features on 20-90% of generations (depending on the day). So, now, everytime I see tits, I'm just like "ugh.. fuck off.. ". Before AI, I was actually fairly neutral on the subject, not in love with the sexualixation of women, or seeing their tits everywhere, but I mostly kept to myself about it save the odd post on quora/youtube when I was in an off mood.

C: One thing feminists bitched about hard was the nasty phenomenon of "dick pics". Like, they get one every now and then on one or two sites or apps, or maybe in a text. Contrast that to men having to see huge, bloated oversized tits in every bit of non-children's media everywhere, whether we want to or not.. BTW, I mean naked/half naked, I'm not just talking about the general existence of female anatomy.

But, men aren't allowed to say anything because women's bodies are all beautiful (even if they're 'plus sized'), and men's bodies are gross (unless they're seven foot tall, buff, and have a square jaw and boyish smile, then they're OK). And saying anything that isn't strictly either neutral or positive about women, is automatically "misogynist".. Even if you're not even talking about women at all, like in this case.

Women do get all the support in our society, yet they're the oppressed ones, they're the victims. You can't turn on any TV now without at least 40-60% of it supporting such narratives. At least from the India programming, it makes a little sense. But it's an over-saturated concept here in the west.

That said, another thing that bothers me as an autist, is hypocrisy.. And that is flooding modern mainstream society in droves..

"xenophobia" Naw, I'm fine with Aliens, the second movie was my fav.

"insecurities" and yours proves that you're lucky/privileged enough not to have any debilitating insecurities. Must be nice when all you can do is condescend and tell others how easy life is if you 'just change your outlook'.

"yet you reduce them to a grotesque caricature"

'micropenises' are a 'grotesque caricature'? That's exactly what I mean, male anatomy is 'gross' and for female anatomy to be compared to it is 'grotesque'.. Maybe check your own biases at the door?

"You sneer at women’s anatomy while policing male bodies just as harshly, demanding 'realism' only when it suits you. You cry 'fantasy!' to defend your preference for 'smaller/submissive' traits, yet suddenly demand rigid anatomical realism when policing male chests. If fictional content "hurts no one," why rage against bara art?"

Yeah, I'll give you that one. On the surface, it's pretty damned hypocritical. But is it too much to ask for ONE model, of the thousands or more that exist.. Just ONE, have males without female anotomical/facial features.. Is That too much to ask?? PS: don't tell me to 'make your own'. Lora's are one thing, models require at least 3090-4090's which are 3k+ even on the used market. I ain't that kinda rich.. But yea, you want female-only, that's all over the site, in metric tonnes.. the real challenge is in finding models, or even loras that are male-only.

So, yea, even the unfortunate hypocrisy I possess stems from my annoyance towards societal attitude towards men. Like, for as 'oppressed' as I have to hear that women are, I've been getting the sense since being on this site that people are more than happy to even erase any pure visage of a man.

So, before you call me a 'misogynist', think about what everyone's reaction would be if the opposite were true. If these models only generated men, or females with male features. I guarantee you that if this were opposite-world(on this website only), and I were complaining about that scenario, I'd be getting loads of support and upvotes on every comment.

"but you’re not entitled to degrade others while hiding behind excuses." and you're entitled to your preferences, but you're not entitled to negate the clear and obvious bias on 95+% of all the models on this site.

"If you’d rather die on this hill of hate"

I don't hate anyone, well, besides maybe Trump and Doug Ford.. they can die in a dumpsterfire, painfully.. Especially Ford.. Even Trump seems to have likeable qualities if he wasn't such a dumbass.. Honestly, I don't even hate Musk, he seems like he'd be an alright guy if he wasn't a billionaire..

It's more of an irritance/frustration with the situation and purposeful lack of awareness, given how different it would be if the genders were swapped.

"As for your bizarre detour into Filipino men, using them as a prop to justify your preferences while tossing out casual xenophobia is both irrelevant and offensive."

Again, no issues with Aliens, they were very well designed creatures, and great movies. As for Filipinos, even less against them. They're an amazing, beautiful people's full of life, especially given the abject circumstances many of them are forced to endure. Incidentally, I spent a month in the Philippines last year. Loved it there, wish I could go back and stay there. I'd be much happier, but moving places costs BIG money, especially post-covid..

"Claiming that dating certain men from the Philippines might imply an interest in 'RL shota' because of their size is a leap"

It's really not.. I mean, not even as much as jerkin it to a anthropomorphic cartoon animal that doesn't even have human genitalia.. I wasn't joking when I said I knew a guy that was Filipino, age 23 and looked like he was 12. I literally thought he was a child when I first met him at my job. It's not offensive to point out that they're small(obvious), and many are child-like in their personalities; a good thing btw, means that they aren't stiff, walking robots like most adults here in the west.. And Filipino men are often happy (visibly so), and smile often. Here in the west, men are Much more reserved.

But, I digress, as for real life sexual preferences, I'd much prefer a woman in general, but try gettin one as an ugly, broke dude with monotone speech, in the west, and having anti-social anxiety disorder, well, it ain't gonna happen.. not realistically. I'd quite likely just end up literally killing myself trying. So, I've mostly resigned to a life of being alone and jerkin it to fringe porn on the internet. Yea, I'm 'gross', and 'insecure', but as some kinda self-implied white knight, why ya gotta kick people when they're down?

"Size doesn’t equal age" EXACTLY.. Finally something we agree on.. And exactly what I was attempting to explain with all I did say.

"suffered" NGL, that sounds like a past tense to me. I mean, most of mine is in the past, at least for directly dealing with any of them. For me it's been more of a path of hateful abuse, neglect, abandonment, ghosting, slander, which has all left me to avoid society like the plague.. When every time you do a thing, you get a punch in the head, are ya gonna keep doing that thing?

Honestly, even thinking about it causes me to drift into a puedo-trance-like state. I have been officially diagnosed with PTSD from what my mother put my through as a child, and what my boss of several years put me through in my 20's, but honestly, it goes deeper than that. No sex-abuse, thankfully, but a lifetime lost in the void, has me sometimes wonder if I may have been better off if it were.. Just a quick one-off, and better life otherwise, maybe more human interaction, maybe people treating me like I matter, or even like I exist..

I'm sure this will all be met with either another "TLDR" or hateful slam about how I made it all about me. But eh.. /shrug. If you're still reading and wonder why I didn't give you the same volatile response as the rest, it's because you actually stated a well structured argument in a somewhat respectful manner (given your misinterpretations of me), and I do respect that at least.

@Lazman TLDR, but I wanted to express I also see woman tits in that image...

@borealum Nice to know I'm not the only one.. Nothin like gettin gaslit into thinkin I'm nuts cuz I'm literally just voicing what I see..

- The name is generated by Civitai by concatenating the title of the page and the title of the model version, so the file name probably comes from the fact that Pony is in the title of the page
- NoobAI never used to have a model tag so people would either tag it as Illustrious/SDXL 1.0. NoobAI is an Illustrious derivation and will work with most Illustrious LoRAs

@non_trivial Yeah, I was curious abt that too. thx : )

Because of the auction, that's why some checkpoint lost from auction and becoming offline

@Kairen92 V1 [PONY] unavailable for generations due to auction. what can be done?

@Kairen92 Yes, it is clear that the server has limited resources and not running so many models at the same time is hard on the network. However, it is still a shame, because all sorts of shitty anime girl models win the auction -_-

Maybe, for example, make a lora based on your model?

@Kairen92 It's only this checkpoint but I only tried one other IL checkpoint so far. My VAE is just the default one

never had this problem : )

@Kairen92 it's the default one I only increased face detection because it was struggling

@Kairen92 I am aware but the version that's on Tensor hasn't been updated since January