@Wizzwu Yeah, just remove the really young looking pictures. The second and third picture are almost certainly what made them auto delete it the second they saw them. Basically any picture that makes you even go "well, maybe she looks too young" will get it axed because Civit is really firm on not taking risks

@Wizzwu avoid prompts like girl, young, etc in your preview images. use woman instead and specify their age in the prompt. and you can add tokens like child, loli to your negative prompt

@Wizzwu I remember I visited this page in the original first version, not even noticing 'too young' content. May be CivitAI is going too paranoid...

@settima_ai well, i prefer paranoid to being taken down

@settima_ai I actually saw this within the first few minutes it was up, and admit I reported the frontpage image because she looked freakin' 13

I'm really curious what Civitai considers too young. My original assumption was anyone who would legally be considered a minor, but they've removed images that would clearly be of adults from a legal perspective. If it's not for legal reasons, than why? Is it just fear of being cancelled if a mob proves a bit overzealous?

(It's not like there is any shortage of actually legally concerning content they have to deal with. I'm absolutely certain they remove a flood of legally concerning content every day. No opinion on the original images of this page as I'm not sure if I saw them,)

@ouros do you 100% know that they were removed for photorealistic depiction of minors? could've also been cases of the new moderation guideline regarding nsfw depcition of real people e.g. in the end don't be surprised of civitai's team being overly cautious when it comes to ai images of young persons, you just don't want that kind of trouble with authorities, lawyers and/or your provider

@eurotaku Quite honestly, I have no idea what the boundaries are on what the moderators consider acceptable. They've removed images that it didn't even cross my mind could be depicting a minor. And based on what I've seen removed, there are hundreds of images on the site that appear younger and have not been removed. (And I'm certainly not going to say which because I don't trust the moderators to judge them fairly. I'm not trying to encourage them to be even more excessive.)

I'm actually generally on board with not having NSFW images of real people, though I'd say the moderators are a bit too harsh on what they judge as appropriate. But that policy does make sense. Even without the legal concerns, it's also a matter of respect for the people depicted.

Also, it's entirely possible to be too strict in a way that looks bad too. On one hand, it brings up questions about your judgement and understanding of the issue. Do they even know what minors actually look like? Secondly, it's bad optics to have large numbers of people making a fuss about your heavy-handed moderation as it implies such moderation is needed in the first place. Where there's smoke, there's fire. I doubt Civitai wants a reputation of constantly having to remove large amounts of obscene images of children, nor do I think they want a reputation of the site being filled with pedophiles mad that they're being restricted.

@ouros like i already said, i'd rather see strict moderation than seeing civitai taken down. and i can do without borderline nsfw images if that keeps the models available, cause we all know what those models are capable of. and the new moderation guideline for nsfw depiction of real people has been devised with a juristical expert on that matter, it's neither some arbitrary decision of the mods nor just a pr issue.
so if you really think you know of pictures that might warrant a review by the moderators under these guidelines, it would be wise to report them, better safe than sorry. ;)

@eurotaku Case in point: I think I just noticed they unpublished a model for images "sexualizing minors" that had images depicting... anime girls in schoolgirl uniforms? Not "sexy skimpy" uniforms, mind you, but regular uniforms. Maybe slightly more "sexy" than the uniform of a girl from a conservative Catholic school. Maybe. Apparently that's good enough for Catholic school but not for Civitai? And they weren't photorealistic, they were obviously cartoons.

Just about the only thing that seemed suspicious was the use of the word "sexy" in the description, but I think they may not be a native English speaker and the sentence they were trying to say was "a downside is it can age down mature women and make them less sexy". In other words, I think they were saying it wasn't good for sexy images because it could theoretically make the girls look too young.

Why did a moderator on Civitai decide that cartoon girls in normal school uniforms are too sexy and must be removed? Who looks at normal elementary school girls and goes, "Oh god, so erotic, please get them away"? Are the uniforms at Catholic schools so sexy that the schools should be held legally accountable for sexualizing minors? Why is Civitai more strict than a conservative Catholic school?

This isn't even the worst case I've seen on here. Others seemed even more arbitrary. And these are cartoons. No one in their right mind could argue these are a legal risk. (Fully clothed cartoon characters? Is Nickelodeon now sexualizing minors too?) Just about the only reason I could see for calling these inappropriate is if you have drastically skewed views of children and can't tell what normal people consider sexual and nonsexual. I certainly didn't think of sex when I saw the images. Did the moderators here think of sex when they saw those kids? If so, why?

@ouros Lately I've seen a few religious nuts on here trying to tell me to save my soul, this site is probably under attack by the same ones having all the pron sited neutered. In the end it's a business, they have to balance between serving a market, satisfying advertisers, and legal liability. It sucks for us, and amounts to capitalist censorship, but that's just what it is.

Even with the release of SD 2.0, the wild west days of SD were coming to an end. Soon everyone will move on from this as a bunch of nutjobs take over, just like Twitter. They really think they can save us from ourselves, never gonna happen. We were never the problem in the first place. The romans drew dicks everywhere, and told dirty jokes that would make ME blush. Just like rock n roll, obscenity will never die, and the moralists will always be after us. It's a tale as old as time.

@MysteryWrecked No clue if it's related, but I see what you're saying. I would say the behavior of Civitai's moderators has been so extreme as to be conspicuous, which seems like the opposite of what a corporate/capitalist entity would want.

And if any religious nuts are trying to save me/us from the "tyranny of how sexy children are," I would advise them to ask why they think of children as sexual at all. I suppose if there is indeed a flood of these people, it's possible the problem stems from a bunch of these "religious nuts" reporting a bunch of images that no sane person would see as sexual. And if Civitai's moderators are new at this, they may not realize how many bad-faith reports by trolls need to be ignored. I'm going to hope that's the explanation for all this, reports from trolls and inexperienced moderators. Those trolls need to be told that other people don't need to be saved from their twisted views of children.

I remember back when things were more of a wild west on here. I'm not asking for a return to that anarchy, but moderation recently has been disturbingly strict.

"I would say the behavior of Civitai's moderators has been so extreme as to be conspicuous, which seems like the opposite of what a corporate/capitalist entity would want."

nah. everything was within the will of the world leader. the world rules.

"moderation recently has been disturbingly strict"

thats exactly what they want

@Jaybok At the rate you're going, I wouldn't be surprised if you start talking about the world being run by "reptilian" aliens. Let's try not to get too crazy here. I don't think the moderators of Civitai are part of some giant conspiracy, I just think they have demonstrated an unhealthy relationship with concepts related to children. (And as I said before, that could just be inexperienced moderators not knowing how to say no to crazies and unwittingly becoming their pawns. At least I hope it's just something like that.)

"that could just be inexperienced moderators not knowing how to say no"

you dont understand that this doesnt only happen in Civitai. meaning that the moderators are not at fault. you literally just just said that yourself "moderation recently has been disturbingly strict"

moderators only follow order. wrong or right. they have no decision. or else they get kicked out of jobs.

@Jaybok I meant that moderation had been disturbingly strict on Civitai specifically. There are other websites that are not this strict, not even close. And those websites, oddly enough, don't have content that sexualizes children despite being less strict, because being this strict isn't necessary.

Also, I kind of doubt the moderators of Civitai are being paid. And moderation is a kind of work that literally involves making decisions about what does or doesn't count as breaking the rules. That's the point of moderation: making those decisions. They don't make the rules, but they do decide whether or not those rules are being broken.

i didnt even talk about being paid or not. moderators mostly work as a team. no one take biased decision unless the entier team is biased. not to mention. the rule is already biased. so you cant blame the moderators at all. they always have a "good" reason to put action. by good reason i mean. its within the rule.

@MysteryWrecked I came here to save souls, and redeem them for valuable cash prizes!