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    Natural Sin Final and last of epiCRealism

    Since SDXL is right around the corner, let's say it is the final version for now since I put a lot effort into it and probably cannot do much more.

    I tried to refine the understanding of the Prompts, Hands and of course the Realism.
    Let's see what you guys can do with it.

    Thanks to @drawaline for the in-depth review, so i'd like to give some advices to use this model.
    [expand to see Advices]

    Advices

    • use simple prompts

    • no need to use keywords like "masterpiece, best quality, 8k, intricate, high detail" or "(extremely detailed face), (extremely detailed hands), (extremely detailed hair)" since it doesn't produce appreciable change

    • use simple negatives or small negative embeddings. gives most realistic look (check samples to get an idea of negatives i used)

    • add "asian, chinese" to negative if you're looking for ethnicities other than Asian

    • Light, shadows, and details are excellent without extra keywords

    • If you're looking for a natural effect, avoid "cinematic"

    • avoid using "1girl" since it pushes things to render/anime style

    • to much description of the face will turn out bad mostly

    • for a more fantasy like output use 2M Karras Sampler

    • no extra noise-offset needed, but u can if you like to šŸ˜‰

    How to use?

    Prompt: simple explanation of the image (try first without extra keywords)
    Negative: "cartoon, painting, illustration, (worst quality, low quality, normal quality:2)"
    Steps: >20 (if image has errors or artefacts use higher Steps)
    CFG Scale: 5 (higher config scale can lose realism, depends on prompt, sampler and Steps)
    Sampler: Any Sampler (SDE, DPM-Sampler will result in more realism)
    Size: 512x768 or 768x512
    Hires upscaler: 4x_NMKD-Superscale-SP_178000_G (Denoising: 0.35, Upscale: 2x)

    Useful Extensions

    !After Detailer | ControlNet | Agent Scheduler | Ultimate SD Upscale

    ⁉ No VAE needed but it is better to use one for more vibrant colors

    ⭐ Feel free to leave Reviews and Samples - and always have fun creating ā¤

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    Comments (42)

    115614Aug 5, 2023
    CivitAI

    Are you going to make a V5 inpainting model? :)

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 5, 2023Ā· 1 reaction

    Yeah I will see if I can do it later today. Bit exhausted from today in the real world šŸ˜…

    vitokeorlini225Aug 5, 2023
    CivitAI

    Boss, i just downloaded v4 some days back. do I need the v5? what's the difference if i may ask?

    settima_aiAug 5, 2023

    I copy: same situation...

    IuotAug 5, 2023Ā· 2 reactions

    According to "About this version" (on the right) :

    "again quality improve
    now better eyes (really!) šŸ˜„"

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 5, 2023

    that ā˜šŸ»

    wang89xAug 5, 2023
    CivitAI

    Plz plz plz do a V5 inpainting model, V3 was great and still my go to! Super excited to see V5 inpainting!

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 5, 2023Ā· 1 reaction

    At your service, its here. Hope all is fine.

    wang89xAug 5, 2023Ā· 1 reaction

    @epinikionĀ you are a legend!

    1345536Aug 5, 2023Ā· 1 reaction
    CivitAI

    idk if V5 is more unstable than v4 or just beacuse of my bad luck...I applied same prompts and settings except seeds, and V5 get more weird pictures than v4

    1345536Aug 5, 2023

    but it does listen to prompts better btw

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 5, 2023

    what do you mean by weird pictures?

    shwilliam26119Aug 6, 2023

    me too..

    1345536Aug 6, 2023

    @epinikionĀ not realistic, bad hands, bad anatomy things, v5 looks like increases CFG scale from 5 to 8, but I didn't change the CFG...

    shwilliam26119Aug 6, 2023

    @sgmgong28901119Ā will the pictures look better if change CFG to 8?

    Akt1887Aug 12, 2023

    also get some weird results with V5 Inpainting.. V5 works perfectly great but V5 Inpainting seems to add strange things like extra people, torsos over legs, etc...

    solom123Aug 5, 2023Ā· 4 reactions
    CivitAI

    dude i dont know what kind of magic you did with V5 , its amazing thx a lot , bro it just blows my mind

    dream3Aug 6, 2023
    CivitAI

    is the VAE linked to this model only? or if I use other models while the VAE is in that folder it will affect them?

    sneedddd4Aug 6, 2023
    CivitAI

    is this the latest? or could you link the v5 version?

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 6, 2023

    What do you mean?

    sneedddd4Aug 7, 2023Ā· 1 reaction

    @epinikionĀ i didnt know if it was v5 but it is, nvm my stupid comment lol its great

    Art3mis_CivitaiAug 6, 2023
    CivitAI

    Do you plan on making a SDXL1.0 version, or is this THE final version?

    vitokeorlini225Aug 19, 2023

    we need to create a go fund me to buy him an rtx4090 for that.. my boi on 3080 atm. if only i was rich sigh!

    Nevil_ClavainAug 6, 2023
    CivitAI

    Awesome checkpoint! I cant find the upscaler listed. Can you double check the name?

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 6, 2023Ā· 2 reactions
    ghostsoft697Aug 7, 2023Ā· 19 reactions
    CivitAI

    Looking forward to epicrealism XL

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 10, 2023Ā· 6 reactions

    Guys, I’m on a heavy workload atm and awaiting a baby pretty soon. I think SDXL can handle realism pretty well already. Also I donā€˜t like comfyui workflow for in-depth testing, and automatic1111 is not really ready for SDXL even with refiner extension on my Setup. Poor 3080 guy here. So I Hope I don’t disappoint you here, but for now I won’t put my hands on SDXL 🄲

    vitokeorlini225Aug 19, 2023Ā· 1 reaction

    @epinikionĀ smart decision. I don't how to put this and I keep getting hate for it but sdxl (IMHO) just ain't there yet and its gonna need at least another 3-5 months or more, just downloaded dreamshaperxl and realitycheckxl and boy.. the least I say about it the better. the waiting game is my best bet for now regarding xl.

    fansteraiAug 8, 2023
    CivitAI

    Amazing work! Do you recommend training LORAs on this checkpoint?

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 10, 2023

    Iā€˜m not that great Lora guy, so I don’t know. As far as I know the 1.5 model should be used for Lora training since every model is based on that and should have the most UNet base from there. But I could be wrong. Probably test it out

    acknowledgementAug 15, 2023

    Hey, you should train it on Realistic Vision 5.1 No Vae, and then use it on this model its amazing

    fantaseedAug 11, 2023
    CivitAI

    If anyone knows how the specific depictions differ between V3, v4 and v5, please let me know.

    There is no author's explanation, and I don't know the difference.

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 11, 2023

    U can check the about section under the download section. Trust me and use V5 šŸ˜…

    fantaseedAug 11, 2023

    @epinikionĀ I missed it. Thank you very much

    z33737593784Aug 14, 2023Ā· 1 reaction
    CivitAI

    don't upload fail pics i beg you

    ArtificialAnalepticAug 15, 2023Ā· 1 reaction
    CivitAI

    Every single time I come back to this model. It's fantastic. I've tried several others and ever time this is the best for generating truly believable images.

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 15, 2023

    Thank you ā¤ļø

    KrazydudeAug 17, 2023Ā· 1 reaction
    CivitAI

    Just amazing! Very consistent outputs even at low CFG scales.. excellent compatibility with Loras as well. Kinda sensitive to prompts (in a good way). With other models I've had to run a lot of batches to get a desired output but with this model, it's pretty easy! The advices section was also really helpful.

    sphiweAug 17, 2023
    CivitAI

    Am curious to know how many images were used to train this model.

    epinikion
    Author
    Aug 18, 2023Ā· 2 reactions

    has to be somewhere between 1k and 5k now I’m too messy with my Workflows

    djwashoutAug 18, 2023
    CivitAI

    V3 is good for the deep East Asian look. The newer models seem more western...

    ginkarasu01Aug 18, 2023Ā· 1 reaction

    Actually I'm glad that it is more western. If you want "Deep east Asian" looks, there are plenty of other models that do that.