Natural Sin Final and last of epiCRealism
Since SDXL is right around the corner, let's say it is the final version for now since I put a lot effort into it and probably cannot do much more.
I tried to refine the understanding of the Prompts, Hands and of course the Realism.
Let's see what you guys can do with it.
Thanks to @drawaline for the in-depth review, so i'd like to give some advices to use this model.
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Advices
use simple prompts
no need to use keywords like "masterpiece, best quality, 8k, intricate, high detail" or "(extremely detailed face), (extremely detailed hands), (extremely detailed hair)" since it doesn't produce appreciable change
use simple negatives or small negative embeddings. gives most realistic look (check samples to get an idea of negatives i used)
add "asian, chinese" to negative if you're looking for ethnicities other than Asian
Light, shadows, and details are excellent without extra keywords
If you're looking for a natural effect, avoid "cinematic"
avoid using "1girl" since it pushes things to render/anime style
to much description of the face will turn out bad mostly
for a more fantasy like output use 2M Karras Sampler
no extra noise-offset needed, but u can if you like to š
How to use?
Prompt: simple explanation of the image (try first without extra keywords)
Negative: "cartoon, painting, illustration, (worst quality, low quality, normal quality:2)"
Steps: >20 (if image has errors or artefacts use higher Steps)
CFG Scale: 5 (higher config scale can lose realism, depends on prompt, sampler and Steps)
Sampler: Any Sampler (SDE, DPM-Sampler will result in more realism)
Size: 512x768 or 768x512
Hires upscaler: 4x_NMKD-Superscale-SP_178000_G (Denoising: 0.35, Upscale: 2x)
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ā No VAE needed but it is better to use one for more vibrant colors
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Are you going to make a V5 inpainting model? :)
Yeah I will see if I can do it later today. Bit exhausted from today in the real world š
Boss, i just downloaded v4 some days back. do I need the v5? what's the difference if i may ask?
I copy: same situation...
According to "About this version" (on the right) :
"again quality improve
now better eyes (really!) š"
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Plz plz plz do a V5 inpainting model, V3 was great and still my go to! Super excited to see V5 inpainting!
idk if V5 is more unstable than v4 or just beacuse of my bad luck...I applied same prompts and settings except seeds, and V5 get more weird pictures than v4
but it does listen to prompts better btw
what do you mean by weird pictures?
me too..
@epinikionĀ not realistic, bad hands, bad anatomy things, v5 looks like increases CFG scale from 5 to 8, but I didn't change the CFG...
@sgmgong28901119Ā will the pictures look better if change CFG to 8?
also get some weird results with V5 Inpainting.. V5 works perfectly great but V5 Inpainting seems to add strange things like extra people, torsos over legs, etc...
dude i dont know what kind of magic you did with V5 , its amazing thx a lot , bro it just blows my mind
is the VAE linked to this model only? or if I use other models while the VAE is in that folder it will affect them?
is this the latest? or could you link the v5 version?
Do you plan on making a SDXL1.0 version, or is this THE final version?
we need to create a go fund me to buy him an rtx4090 for that.. my boi on 3080 atm. if only i was rich sigh!
Awesome checkpoint! I cant find the upscaler listed. Can you double check the name?
They moved the Database https://openmodeldb.info/models/4x-NMKD-Superscale
Looking forward to epicrealism XL
Guys, Iām on a heavy workload atm and awaiting a baby pretty soon. I think SDXL can handle realism pretty well already. Also I donāt like comfyui workflow for in-depth testing, and automatic1111 is not really ready for SDXL even with refiner extension on my Setup. Poor 3080 guy here. So I Hope I donāt disappoint you here, but for now I wonāt put my hands on SDXL š„²
@epinikionĀ smart decision. I don't how to put this and I keep getting hate for it but sdxl (IMHO) just ain't there yet and its gonna need at least another 3-5 months or more, just downloaded dreamshaperxl and realitycheckxl and boy.. the least I say about it the better. the waiting game is my best bet for now regarding xl.
Amazing work! Do you recommend training LORAs on this checkpoint?
Iām not that great Lora guy, so I donāt know. As far as I know the 1.5 model should be used for Lora training since every model is based on that and should have the most UNet base from there. But I could be wrong. Probably test it out
Hey, you should train it on Realistic Vision 5.1 No Vae, and then use it on this model its amazing
If anyone knows how the specific depictions differ between V3, v4 and v5, please let me know.
There is no author's explanation, and I don't know the difference.
don't upload fail pics i beg you
Every single time I come back to this model. It's fantastic. I've tried several others and ever time this is the best for generating truly believable images.
Thank you ā¤ļø
Just amazing! Very consistent outputs even at low CFG scales.. excellent compatibility with Loras as well. Kinda sensitive to prompts (in a good way). With other models I've had to run a lot of batches to get a desired output but with this model, it's pretty easy! The advices section was also really helpful.
Am curious to know how many images were used to train this model.
has to be somewhere between 1k and 5k now Iām too messy with my Workflows
V3 is good for the deep East Asian look. The newer models seem more western...
Actually I'm glad that it is more western. If you want "Deep east Asian" looks, there are plenty of other models that do that.
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